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Hi!

recently, I'm most of the time looking for CC0 sounds, so it doesn't make sense for me to always hit the CC0 filter. Plus, more importantly, I sometimes (not that often, but still) accidentally browse files with other licensing.

So it would be useful if Freesound could remember the last filter I used (saved in my account). Of course, this can also create new confusion, it has to be very clear that a filter is on. In the new interface, perhaps the "license:"creative commons 0" bubble can be made a bit clearer (use a small CC0 icon?).

Cheers,
Rutger

Hi Rutger,

This is a nice suggestion. We should whether this is important for all filter types or maybe we should simply have dedicated functionality for licenses. Or we could store default filters and advanced search settings in a browser cookie, and automatically set them if the cookie is set.

Hi Frederic. Sorry for my slooow reply.

Thanks for considering it. Interesting points, I see this needs a little more investigation... mmm....

I would also be happy if there was a default license filter/default I can set for my account.

I have a similar use-case - I'm looking for various CC0 samples and accidentally it is easy to forget and pick a sample that requires attribution.

Currently I have to paranoidly check my download logs with the "Attribution summary" to ensure I did not pick a sample that has a different license.

I guess a hard block/filter does not make much sense, but would be nice to e.g. get a warning if a more strict/incompatible license applies compared to my "baseline preference".

I think the license case and general "default filters" case should be considered separately, because the licensing case has legal consequences and messing it up can cause needless problems.

zenforyen wrote:
I would also be happy if there was a default license filter/default I can set for my account.

I have a similar use-case - I'm looking for various CC0 samples and accidentally it is easy to forget and pick a sample that requires attribution.

Currently I have to paranoidly check my download logs with the "Attribution summary" to ensure I did not pick a sample that has a different license.

I guess a hard block/filter does not make much sense, but would be nice to e.g. get a warning if a more strict/incompatible license applies compared to my "baseline preference".

I think the license case and general "default filters" case should be considered separately, because the licensing case has legal consequences and messing it up can cause needless problems.

Thanks for affirming my experience.

BTW, I think it would be super useful to have the licenses mentioned in the filenames, e.g.: CCBY_123456_Waterfall_at_night.wav. If it’s written as the first characters, it’s possibly quite visible when the files are imported in audio/video tools — but it’s probably still possible to overlook it. A saved filter is probably most effective. Having both would be superb

RutgerMuller wrote:

BTW, I think it would be super useful to have the licenses mentioned in the filenames, e.g.: CCBY_123456_Waterfall_at_night.wav. If it’s written as the first characters, it’s possibly quite visible when the files are imported in audio/video tools — but it’s probably still possible to overlook it. A saved filter is probably most effective. Having both would be superb

the licenses mentioned in the filenames. That is very useful.

I agree with license in file name!

This is quite interesting indeed. Where would you put the license name? I guess right after the ID?

Hi Frederic,

For me this is the best; CCBY_123456_Waterfall_at_night.wav.
That's in the hope that some users will read the license better.

Regards

klankbeeld wrote:
Hi Frederic,

For me this is the best; CCBY_123456_Waterfall_at_night.wav.
That's in the hope that some users will read the license better.

Regards

That's a very interesting consideration. Now I see your point of view, how to also make people respect/remember the crediting aspect of CC-BY licensing.

Mentioning the license at the end of the filename might give more clarity in some audio software and file browsers – as they visually crop the end of the filename off and thereby hide (a chunk of) the name of the sound. But there's also the sound's ID number, maybe that one should move to the end? I don't know, maybe I'm missing something there... Frederic, if you have time, what's your opinion?

Hi!

I think ID should be first, not only for tradition but because this is the most important bit of information from which the rest can be eventually derived. Also the username is part of the filename and should be in a privileged position. So I like both the idea of placing license after the username or at the end. Examples:

1) 808651__rutgermuller__CC0__can_lid_tribal_groove.m4a
2) 808651__rutgermuller__can_lid_tribal_groove__CC0.m4a

What do you think?

Hi,
One major issue I find with having ID first, is it messes up the author's alphabetical categorisation.
I try to have Date_Time_Location - File name OR Category (Applause_Glass_Take1, Applause_Glass_Take2, Applause_Handclap_Take1 etc...)
If downloading many files from a category, it all might be shuffled by sound ID if categorising by alphabetical order.

Another issue, (Re-reading, as RutgerMuller mentioned, sorry) is most softwares will display filename by starting words (sometimes maybe the last few), so in a cramped search bar it might display "808651__rutgermu..." or even worse "808651__rutg...__CC0"

I would be in favour of Original_File_Name_SoundID_Author_License

Out of
1) 808651__rutgermuller__CC0__can_lid_tribal_groove.m4a
2) 808651__rutgermuller__can_lid_tribal_groove__CC0.m4a
I would prefer 1). Given titles will vary wildly in length, looking at a list of many sounds the licencing will jump about left/right while reading. Scrolling though a list, I feel like 1) would be easier. Also, it follows the logic of having the most important aspects first in the file name.

What would be cool, would be either an account download preference setting, or a downloadable software to batch change the names of files.

Cheers!

Cheers Frederic and Sadiquecat. Helpful input. I'm still not sure yet what would be the best. But my opinion is becoming clearer.

I do see that the ID is in a way the most defining ... ID... of the sound. E.g. when people rename the sound on Freesound.org, the ID remains. But I don't really see why it should be/remain at the beginning. Should the tradition be broken? Maybe I'm not seeing how the ID is being used right now in processes of sound organization (in users' libraries and/or in the Freesound backend).

Allow me to return to my original argument for a bit – I almost forgot it lol. User 'zenforyen' shared my opinion on this one, and explained it well:

I have a similar use-case - I'm looking for various CC0 samples and accidentally it is easy to forget and pick a sample that requires attribution.

Currently I have to paranoidly check my download logs with the "Attribution summary" to ensure I did not pick a sample that has a different license.

For that reason, I would prefer the license to be a the beginning of the filename – ensuring it's always visible. No double checking needed during/after the job. Not only does this reduce stress during work, it would also be an effective mechanism to prevent problematic (legal) situations related to uncredited and incorrectly licensed samples.

Perhaps something like:

CC0_can_lid_tribal_groove_808651_rutgermuller.m4a
CC0___can_lid_tribal_groove___808651___rutgermuller.m4a
[CC0]can_lid_tribal_groove[808651]rutgermuller.m4a

Or with the ID at the end, but this puts the username in between sound-related metadata...
CC0__can_lid_tribal_groove__rutgermuller__808651.m4a